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stak stages of my surgery i was in prep, fighting to get the green light and i got the green light during it, but through the process was when i was researching him and studying him and putting the boards up and sitting in my office and that's what i did during that time frame. >> preparatory for the -- >> so she's going to talk to us more tomorrow in the interview. >> that's a personal interview. you got a personal glimpse out of her. >> it's about what she wants to talk about and there's a message and the choices she made in the movie and the guy you saw hitting him with the stick is a japanese pop star, makes his debut in the film. there's huge levels of it. i was happy to do the interview. let's get you to in t"the newsroom" with poppy has are low. >> good to see you. "newsroom" starts right now. good morning, everyone. thanks so much for joining me.
i'm poppy harlow in gotoday for carol costello. and we begin this hour with breaking news, a deadly confrontation between police and a knife-wielding man who had just stabbed a worshipper inside of a brooklyn synagogue. this happened in the early morning hours. it was all captured on camera. over the next couple of minutes, you are going to see exactly how this unfolded. we want to warn you first, though, the language is raw, the images very disturbing. >> throw it. throw it.
>> obviously very, very disturbing to watch. i want to bring in rosa flores, monitoring this, and a police news conference about the incident just wrapped up. what did they say, rosa? >> well you know, imagine the horrors, poppy, of going through this and for all of the people who are watching, we were just watching that video, i talked to the individual who shot this video, just moments ago, and he tells me the moments were very, very tense, and i want to share with you and kind of take you through kind of what is
happening on the outskirts while this was being shot. the individual who shot this video tells me, poppy, that the individual who was stabbed, the victim here, was actually reading his bible, so he was not paying attention to his surroundings, and he says that the suspect came in, and he actually tried to stab other people in that room, but this man, who was stabbed, he was so focused on his bible that he was not looking around as to what was going on, and then of course now, police tell us that he was stabbed with, and i'm going to quote this here "a nine-inch knife and a four and a half inch blade." so imagine those tense moments. people, of course, rushed to his rescue. police then come into the scene. we see it in this video. there's a back and forth between police and the suspect, and according to police, the suspect does drop the knife, and then picks it up, lunges at police and that's when he was shot and killed. poppy? >> do we know at this point who
shot the video? >> yes, so i talked to the individual. he's actually a business owner here in new york city, and it's very interesting, because he tells me that he normally goes to the synagogue at the end of his shift, at the end of the day, and leaves food for people to simply just take from the synagogue. it's just something that he does to give back to his community, and so he was there. he hangs out there for a little while, prays usually at the synagogue for a little while, and then this scene unfolds in front of him. he said that he remembers opening the door for the individual, for the suspect in this particular case, before any of this happened, and the suspect came in, and i asked him, i'm like where were his hands? did he have a knife? did you see anything? he says that his hands were simply inside his pockets. it's cold in new york city so he was wearing a coat, his hands were in his pockets, and so then all of this unfolds, of course, very tense moments for him and
all of the other people who were there. you kind of see a few others in that video. >> these are religious institution, open all night and all day and anyone is welcome inside. i do know that the police have said they will be beefing up security at different religious sites around new york city today so thank you for monitoring for us, rosa. we appreciate the reporting. >> you're welcome. this morning's police shooting comes at a time of heightened tension over law enforcement's use of lethal force, but beyond the headlines, here's a question -- is it fair to compare this case with the recent police killings that have fueled so much outrage? i bring in clafd klinger, former lapd officer. he shot and killed a suspect while he was a rookie on the police officer. you hear the police time and time again ask the attacker, yell at him, drop the knife, drop the knife. do you think the suspect made the shooting and his own death
you an avo unavoidable? >> absolutely. i've seen two different versions or lengths of the video. the officer is trying his best, his level best to deescalate which is what we train officers to do, using verbal commands, being forceful. eventually he succeeds in getting the individual to put the knife down, then the individual picks the knife back up and attacks and in a situation like that, officers are trained, you cannot wait. you have to shoot if you believe your life is in jeopardy. the individual i shot stabbed my partner in the chest with a butcher knife, knocked him to the ground, jumped on top of him, trying to drive it through his throat. i tried to take the knife away, i endangered my partner being too hesitant to shoot and ultimately i had to shoot the guy and when police officers and suspects with edge weapons are in close proximity, officers have no choice. i think this officer and the other officers involved did a fine job in protecting all of the people that were in danger in that area. the new york city police department should be proud of these officers from everything i can see.
>> so one of the things you hear in the video, if you listen closely is they say that he's shot in the neck, and the suspect is still alive when they cuff him and take him to the hospital. i think a lot of people would ask, when is the decision made as to where to shoot, to stop the suspect? do you shoot at the largest body mass? do you shoot at the leg to disable them? what do you do? >> what you do is you shoot to stop the threat. police officers all around the country are trained to shoot center mass of the body, as you indicated, but in dynamic situations, people are oftentimes moving, and so what an officer is trained to do, shoot to the largest part of the body you can put an effective round into so i don't know where this individual was shot but one of the things that's interesting, i think a lot of people don't understand, is most police gunshots, indeed most gunshots that anybody survives, excuse me, that anybody takes from any type of individual who shoots them, most people survive gunshots, and the individual that i shot, he fought us for that knife for another 30, 45 seconds, and so what happens is,
you shoot, you believe the threat is passed, then you go ahead and you try to take control of the individual, and the fact this individual survived for a protracted period of time is indicative of the fact that police gunfire doesn't immediately stop people. i think that's really important for your viewers to understand, and once again, it appears to me these officers showed restraint, used deadly force when it became apparent to them they were about to suffer grievous bodily injury or death. they did the right thing from everything i can tell. >> david klinger thank you for your time and serving the people of los angeles. still to come in "the newsroom," u.s. troops alert around the world, we'll look ahead to this morning's release of a so-called torture report. concerns about it are growing at this hour.
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thousands of u.s. troops around the world are on alert as washington braces for this morning's release of so the called torture report. it will reveal very controversial, possibly even brutal techniques used on terror suspects in the wake of the 9/11 attack. it is an official report. this is not a leak. we've been expecting this, but still the potential for violent backlashes caused embassies and military bases around the globe to ratchet up security. barbara starr joins us from the pentagon, good morning. >> good morning, poppy. this report from senate democrats has been in the works for months. the question now is what will happen when the world reads it?
u.s. military and diplomatic posts on heightened alert this morning. anticipating the release of a report by the senate intelligence committee on top secret interrogation tactics and torture of cia detainees. >> our own intelligence community has assessed that this will cause violence and death. >> the marines are positioned in key areas, ready to respond to potential violent reactions directed at u.s. embassies and military bases around the globe. believed to be included in the report, details of waterboarding and other interrogation tactics in the years after 9/11. the cia believes the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques including waterboarding provided key information that very vented other terror attacks and led to the capture of osama bin laden, but the report questions the effectiveness of those procedures. critics of the $50 million report question the timing of its release. >> when would be a good time to release this report? and it's difficult to imagine
one, particularly because of the painful details that will be included, but again, the president believes that it is important for us to be as transparent as we possibly can be about what exactly transpired so we can just be clear to the american public and to people around the world that something like this should not happen again. >> reporter: former vice president dick cheney dismissed the senate report saying the cia's interrogation methods were "absolutely totally justified." cheney, who hasn't read the report, strongly defended cia leaders, arguing the program itself was worth it, adding "as far as i'm concerned, they ought to be decorated, not criticized." that sentiment was echoed by former president bush. >> these are patriots, and whatever the report says, if it diminishes their contributions to our country, it is way off base. >> current and former cia
officials will tell you that they say they were following what they were told were legal orders from the white house. the question this report may raise is whether the cia told the white house everything it was doing. poppy? >> who knew what when? we'll soon find out, when we read the report. barbara starr thank you for the reporting this morning. as u.s. marines prepare for the potential of extremist violence in response to this, washington is bracing for, of course, the political backlash. let's bring in our chief congressional correspondent dana bash and jim acosta. jim, let me go to you if. can you detail at least what we know ahead of this executive summary being released in terms of the interrogation and detention techniques? >> reporter: i think most of this is known already, poppy. you know, the chief enhanced interrogation technique that's really at issue here is waterboarding, which john mccain, the republican senator from arizona, has called torture. president obama has said we have tortured people, and then
earlier this morning, senator angus king, the independent member of that senate intelligence committee, said to cnn "new day," did we torture people? yes. did it help prevent attacks? no. so there are lots of different opinions on this. lot of this is going to center on these waterboarding techniques that were used during the bush administration. president obama, when he came into office, one of his first executive orders was to ban the use of these enhanced int interrogation techniques. i was told by a senior official last night that this report was handed over to the feinstein committee yesterday after it had been through a review process in the intelligence committee. the report according to this administration official is 93%, "93% unredacted." so redactions were made, but according to this one official, much of this report is going to be released to the public, at least this executive summary, which boiled down from 6,000 pages to something like 600
pages and in the words of this administration official, poppy, there's not going to be anything "lost in the narrative." so it sounds like when we see this report when it's released it will be bringing to terms what the intelligence community was doing at the cia in some of these sites, enhanced interrogation techniques were going on, according to this intelligence committee report. >> and dana, looking athe the politics, this doesn't really split along party lines completely, right? as jim mentioned you have the dependent ang us king supporting it, republican senator susan collins supporting it. i wonder did some republicans vote to declassify some of this? are some backing the white house? >> some of them are, john mccain as jim mentioned is a perfect example. he has been out there on issues against torture as somebody who was tortured. he was of course a prisoner in vietnam for seven years. he says this has to come out,
that we have to tell the american people, and the world, that the united states is different from other countries who engage in these tactics, and that was the point that angus king, the independent from maine, made this morning on "new day." listen to what he said. >> this is who we are as a country. we tell the truth, and if we make a mistake, we admit it, and we move on. i've had military interrogators tell me that, getting the report out would actually help them, because at least it starts to erase the stain that this has put on our national character. >> now, the flipside of that, the opposing argument, poppy, is that this is going to hurt the united states. that is why, as barbara reported, military person sell are on alert, embassies around alert around the world because those who want to, for whom the united states is an enemy, will use this as a propaganda tactic, but the other thing i want to underscore here is that this has been years in the making.
this has been a battle between the senate intelligence committee, which oversees the intelligence community and the intelligence community for a very, very long time. getting the information about what the tactics were and the concept of releasing it to the public has caused major, major tension between these two and this is to take a quick step back, this is a really important committee, because one of congress's main jobs is to oversee the executive. when it comes to the intelligence community bity nature is secretive, this is the key committee that has to do that because we don't have any information as publicity zens. >> they poured through some million documents as you said, dana, over years to get to this point. dana bash, jim acosta, appreciate it. let's talk more about what dana brought up, the security of america and our forces oversees. to that big question, bob, will the state give americans and our armed forces be increased or jeopardized by the release of
this, the safety? >> poppy, i don't think it's going to be jeopardized. i think this is exaggerated. look, we're fighting a war in syr syria, bombing isis, dropping bombs in afghanistan and yemen. having the facts come out about enhansed interrogation/torture it's all been out. i don't think there will be any reaction. i think the reaction will be political in the united states. i think a lot of americans are going to be shocked by what happened, but more than that, they're going to be shocked how ineffective the torture has been. >> the justice department lawyers say these techniques did not constitute torture. on the other hand the obama administration using the word torture to describe what happened to some of the detainees, it's interesting for our viewers to know, i'm certainly curious, who does the cia answer to in terms of that, whether or not it's torture? >> poppy, it answers to the
department of justice. don't forget congress, all of these techniques passed both intelligence committees, the senate and the house, cia, this was not a rogue operation. at every stage they went to congress, said this is what we're doing and told them in complete detail, so it's not like we're looking to cia went out on its own. >> former v.p. dick cheney told the "new york times" to portray this as a "rogue operation" is "a bunch of phooey." given the fugt aight and the coalition forces doing that, consider what our allies may think reading this? >> poppy that's the problem. countries that have cooperated with us after 9/11, poland, thailand, and the rest of it, you know, leaking all this out and issuing this report in the future they'll be relick tant with terrorism. the deal was we were going to
keep it out of their politics and we failed to do that. that's going to be the real damage. >> that's a big problem. >> the united states can't keep a secret. it's always been a problem for the united states and it's going to be worse. >> bob baer thanks for joining us this morning. appreciate it. still to come in "the newsroom," a new ferguson grand jury document, a lot of documents released, and one very notable one is missing. it's not there. the fbi interview with this man, the eyewitness, dorian johnson, michael brown's friend who was with him, when he was shot and killed. why? we'll discuss, next.
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emotions ran very high last night in st. louis. look. . >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> protesters disrupted the second ferguson commission meeting. protesters filled the aisles, demanded better answers from st. louis police chiefsome dawson as he spoke. some say his remarks were "unhelpful and not specific." this tense meeting came as a batch of ferguson grand jury records from the michael brown shooting were made public for the first time. the newly released documents include a federal autopsy report, there were three, and alleged audio of officer wilson's gunshots, in addition police radio traffic from the day of the shooting, and hundreds of pages worth of
witness interviews, but here's the thing. several key documents, they're not there, including namely the fbi interview with dorian johnson, brown's friend, who was with him the day he was shot and killed. he was walking with him at that time. he is the closest eyewitness to it, in addition to officer wilson. he has always claimed his friend's hands were up in surrender before he was fatally shot. >> his weapon was already drawn when he got out the car. he shot again, and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and he put his hands in the air, and he started to get down, but the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and he fired several more shots and my friend died. >> let me bring in hln legal analyst joey jackson, he joins me with more. this is the question. why is the fbi lengthy interview with dorian johnson not released? >> great question but here is what the local authorities say.
they're in the midst of a federal investigation. you know that federal investigation deals with separate issues. >> right. >> there was a stay at issue whether he should be indicted, darren wilson for second-degree, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter. the civil rights investigation focuses on the officer's intent. did he intend to deprive him of civil rights. in the midst of an investigation the fbi will say these are fbi documents, they relate to fbi interviews, we're in the midst of the investigation, we don't want to impair it in any way. we're withholding the documents >> will we get them ever? >> i think we will and do. the important question, what light does it shine upon the issue? unfortunately the more documents released because while we didn't get that interview, we got several other interviews and the autopsy report and it continues -- >> consistent with the others. >> it was and even when we talk about it being consistent it still raises questions. if you look at the autopsy report itself, it will tell you cause of death, right, but it will not necessarily tell you why he died, in other words what
were the actions leading up to that. lot of confusion. >> the interview was conducted very close to the time of the shooting and the death, much closer than when dorian johnson testified in front of the grand jury. there's been confusion among some in this case and they say one of the hardest parts is the fact that some of the witnesses' testimony changed. >> absolutely. that's a problem. there are two real layers to this. the one real layer is this, you have conflicting witnesses, witnesses who say different things. we know 16 of the 20, hands up, he had his hands up, and not only do you have conflicting witnesses but you have witnesses who, in themselves are conflicting because they've given different statements so certainly to your point it's nice when it's close in time but at the end of the day in a grand jury proceeding you're under the oath to tell the truth and confronted with your prior statements and have to explain them. >> we'll see if we do get all of the documents.
we've gotten many more. >> let the federal government investigation proceed and it will be fully transparent and we'll get to examine everything. >> we rarely get to know what happens in grand jury proceedings. >> absolutely. >> having this much light in this case is not common. >> absolutely, case in point eric garner in staten island, they're trying to petition for that. >> thank you, joey, appreciate it. "rolling stone" issued not one but two apologies for inconsistencies in its reporting of the alleged, uva gang rape. en kren spoke to a friend of the young woman at the center of that story. we'll tell you what she said, ahead.
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the alleged victim in the uva sexual assault scandal hired a lawyer as "rolling stone" issues a second apology for its botched report on the alleged gang rape of a young woman known as jackie. the magazine says it doesn't blame jackie and takes full responsibility for reporting inconsistencies in hits story o her friends say the story has remained consistent the whole time. >> everything jackie told me is exactly what happens published and exactly what jackie told me. >> reporter: annie forest is one of the first team jackie spoke to about the alleged gang rape inside a university of virginia fraternity house. the graphic details became the focus of a "rolling stone" explosive story. >> she talked about how she's healing and overwhelmed she is, how she didn't see any of this coming. >> reporter: since "rolling stone" issued an apology to readers friday there's been
nonstop speculation whether the incident happened as jackie recalled, or if it happened at all, but before "rolling stone" published the story, another one of jackie's friends tells cnn jackie was concerned. was she apprehensive about the article? >> terrified. i remember her absolutely terrified of the repercussions. >> reporter: repercussions started against the fraternity, the house vandalized. some of that backlash shifted to jackie. >> there do appear to be holes in her story, no survivor i've ever spoken to tells a straight linear account of their story for years and years after therapy. >> reporter: in the article jackie says she was brought here by a fraternity brother for a brother at the phikapaa psi house. he took her upstairs to a dark room where she was attacked and raped by seven men while two others looked on. "rolling stone" says jackie escaped down a side staircase
and out a side door. the attorney for the fraternity says there's no side staircase in the house but there are side doors and this has an ex-peeror side staircase. the fraternity attorney records show there was no party the night the gang rape allegedly occurred and the man who jackie says lured her to the room was never even a member of the fraternity. "rolling stone" revised its apology over the weekend to say it takes responsibility for any inaccuracies in the story, and the blame does not lie with jackie. on monday, the university announced it's establishing a committee to study cultural issues here at the university of virginia including sexual assaults and binge drinking. cnn, charlottesville, virginia. >> our thanks to sarah for that report. consider this number, as of august 13th, 76 u.s. universities were under investigation for title 9 sexual
violence violation. campus esexual assault has long garnered the attention of committee members. the senate will hold a hearing on that. congresswoman introduced a house bill she thinks will help solve the problem. tell me what it is designed to do, if you can get this passed? >> the heart legislation will require climate surveys at every university and college in this country that receives title 9 funds. it will require more training, it will require that there be proper notification to students as to what their rights are, and where they can get help. many of these co-eds don't know there's a title 9 coordinator at their college campus and in many of the colleges there aren't title 9 coordinators. >> i no he that know that -- go
apologize. >> it's an effort to shed more light on the issue and require the colleges to evaluate the culture under which these students are trying to go to school. >> i know that you also want to have it mandatory that if a student transfers from one college to another and has an offense on their record that the school in the state is notified of that, but a lot of people are up in had arms over the fact that many colleges handle these cases of rape themselves, and there is no, there's nothing that mandates that they go to the police. how can that be, and should that change on a federal level? >> i actually think that we've got to do two things. one is, if it's a crime, if it's confirmed to be a crime, i believe that it should be reported to law enforcement. typically the universities rely on their code of conduct in terms of whether or not a student should be expelled, and in these cases only about 30% of the students are expelled for
the behavior that violates this code of conduct. >> we also know that uva has admitted that not once has it expelled a student, not once for sexual assault, and we know the statistics that one in five women on college campuses is sexually assaulted in this country. some are critical of these proposed efforts to fight sexual assaults on campus in the way that we're talking about them, saying look, you're not addressing education, and prevention. do you believe that these are sort of after the fact measures and we need to do more on the front end? >> we certainly need to be more on the front end. typically most universities require this as an online program that they have to watch before orientation. we do know that most of these sexual assaults occur in the first eight weeks of a college experience, so doing it as part of the early education is very important, and to talk about what the repercussions are. in california now, there is a law that requires a verbal
affirmation, if you are going to engage in sexual conduct. >> yes, well i'm glad you guys are talking about it and doing something to try to help on capitol hill. thank you, congresswoman, appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you for the invitation. i want to take you live to the new york stock exchange. steep decline in the market right now, dow down 160 points at last check. alisyn, what's going on? >> we are seeing, poppy, the dow do a 180 from 18,000, just a couple days ago, we were on 18,000 watch for the dow. once again the dow falling 158 points. this is day two of a sell-off for the dow. we saw it close 100 points lower yesterday. big factor here, oil. we are seeing oil prices plunge again today, about another half a percent. this is after oil prices fell 4% yesterday, its third biggest drop of the year. keep in mind, oil prices have fallen 40% over the past six months. so while we're reaping rewards
of that, consumers, i mean, with lower gas prices, this is wreaking havoc on energy companies which rely on higher oil prices for bigger profits so that's why you're seeing companies take a hit as we see oil prices fall and once again we are seeing the dow take a big hit, about 160 points lower today. >> people worry what is the fed going to do? are they going to raise rates sooner than we thought? we'll get back to you soon. alisyn, thanks so much. we'll be back in a few moments. with zero down and zero interest on the samsung galaxy note 4, the note 10.1, the gear s and more. the big guys job just got easier.
nation, nation instead of the word, let's make this a little more presidential. which brings us to tonight's "decree." to health in a handbasket. nation as you know, i, stephen colbert, have never cared for our president. the guy is so arrogant, i'll bet he talks about himself in the third person. >> pretty good job there. after those comedic moments, the president did sit down for a little more traditional interview with stephen colbert and later today, he will talk immigration reform in two interviews set to air on univision and telemundo. today's videos follow one the president gave to black entertainment television monday and he talked a lot about the
recent police killing black men and children in america. coast to coast, marches and die-ins staged to bring attention to the issue. this is the scene from pennsylvania, in protest. berkeley, california, protesters temporarily shut down interstate 80 in both directions, and then on the court, nba stars like lebron james and kevin garnett donned "i can't breathe" shirts in protest over the death of eric garner by a new york city police officer. president talked about that in his interview with b.e.t. let's listen. >> i think people who saw the eric garner video are troubled, even if they hadn't had the same experience themselves, even if they're not african-american or latino. there are a lot of good, well-meaning video, probably a lot of police officers who might have looked at that and said that is a tragedy, what happened, and we have to figure out how to bring an end to these kinds of tragedies. >> talk about all of this with
marc lamont hill, host of "huffington post live" and professor at morehouse college. the president in the past has been criticized for shying away from the topic of race, not talking about it enough. now in the case of trayvon martin he talked about it. and he met with bet and said "when i met with the protesters, it remind med of being 16 years old." do you think he's striking a balance now? >> i think he's turned a corner. when the president began his journey in the public view in 2007 when he gave that speech or 2008 and gave that speech in philadelphia after the jeremiah wright controversy i called it the philadelphia compromise speech because he didn't talk about race in a way that was sufficiently complex and accounted for power the way in which black and white people may have different opinions and perspectives. but one is rooted in power and one is not. he didn't seem to acknowledge that. there were moments after tropical storm where he said with the we need to respect the jury's verdict." he didn't speak to the protests.
even with ferguson it seemed at some point he was understating the importance and the righteousness of black rage. but this time he spoke to the deeply entrenched nature of racism in america. he spoke to the need for protests and he basically said that eric garner video was a problem which is something he rarely takes sides. at least not since the henry lewis gates controversy. so this seems to be a different president obama and i'm encouraged. it needs to translate into policy now. >> let me ask you this, marc, if this were a white president, would we be expecting the same of that president? if not, is it fair to expect a different standard from our current president who is black? >> i'll see your question and raise your two questions. it shouldn't just be would we expect it, it's should we expect it. i think to some extent we'd given up on presidents speaking to the issue of race so at some extent maybe we should not. but should we? absolutely. barack obama is the president of america, not just black people. and people forget that black people are americans. we are citizens and entitled to
the same groups, whether it's lgbt, disabled brothers and sisters, jewish brothers and sisters. we deserve policy responses to our issues in this nation. and i want the president not because he's black but because he's the president. >> let's talk about these protests, marc. you've participated in some of them. we've been watching them from berkeley, california, to the streets of new york city, how long do you think this is going to last. you mentioned policy. is this going to change thing? >> i think that's the key. i want these marches and protests to continue until there is a concrete set of demands brought squarely to people in pow power. the genius of the 1960s protests is they were translated into concrete policy demands, whether it's public accommodation in '64, voting rights in '65. there was a goal to get a policy response to black misery and the entire nation's misery because we all suffer when that happens. that i want happen now. what you're seeing with the organizers is they're not just shutting down highways, they're
not just dying in, they're asking for citizen review boards. they're asking for community control of police. they're asking for cop watch programs. they're asking for federal funding in ways that will oversee the police and for the government to divest before n programs that militarize public space in law enforcement agencies. those concrete responses are what we need to see. i don't think these marches are going to die down in a day a week or month. i think this will be stronger than occupy. i think this is going to continue because black misery is continuing. >> also i want your take on this. let's show images. we've seen professional athletes. big names including lebron james taking to the court wearing an "i can't breathe" t-shirt. when you see that, what goes through your mind? in. >> incredible amounts of pride. sometimes we overstate the value of cultural gestures, symbolic gestures. symbolic gestures must be met with concrete action, we can't just rely on cultural politics but still we have to admire legion brams, we have to admire derrick rose who did it first.
we have to admire everyone who went out there and wore those t-shirts because they have a high price to pay for doing that. when you take a political stand in public with those types of bosses and leaders you have a risk and they took the risk and i'm proud of them. lebron james may never be as good as a basketball player, but he's become a greater political athlete and a greater spokesman yesterday than michael jordan could ever be. >> interesting point. we'll hear what the commissioner of the nba had to say. marc lamont hill, thanks for that. we'll be back in a quick break. ? try zyrtec-d® to powerfully clear your blocked nose and relieve your other allergy symptoms... so you can breathe easier all day. zyrtec-d®. find it at the pharmacy counter. zyrtec-d®. ensure active heart health. i maximize good stuff, like my potassium and phytosterols which may help lower cholesterol. new ensure active heart health supports your heart and body so you stay active and strong. ensure, take life in.
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first they attacked and now the same group of hackers are issuing a warning to sony pictures. the group claiming to be called the guardians of peace, or gop, says sony should "stop immediately showing the movie of terrorism which can break the regional peace and cause the war." it guess on to say "you, sony, and fbi, cannot find us. we are perfect as much." the movie they are talking about is presumed to be the new comedy "the interview" starring seth rogan and james franco about a plot to kill north korean leader kim jong-un. >> i would love it if you could take him out. >> huh? >> take him out. >> for coffee? >> dinner. >> kimchee? >> no, take him out. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea? >> yes. >> what? >> let's bring in cnn money tech correspondent laurie segall who
joins me now. laurie, a lot of people want to know who is this group? >> we don't -- the short answer is we don't 100% know. but security researchers have concluded they believe north korea is linked to this. >> the government? >> we don't know specifically if this is the north korean government but people are speculating that a lot of the hack and with this picture popped up on sony employees on their computer it looked very similar and some of the wording and misspellings to what happened about a year ago with south korean banks and a hack linked to the north korean government. we do know this kind of hack is unprecedented. it would have been very difficult for sony to protect themselves. >> sony is saying threats were sent to sony employees. this is very serious. this goes beyond just being difficult for business i'm wondering how bad it is and if you think we can expect more and
the broad implications on business. >> you look at movie scripts being leaked. entire films being leaked. movie stars' aliases to -- when they check into a place they use a certain alias. this is their safety, social security numbers. i spoke to one security researcher. he's formerly with the nsa and he helps big companies during this time and he said "it might not have been worth it for them to put out this film." which i thought was shocking because of the implications of censorship. his name is david tell, formerfully the nsa. listen to what he said. >> if you self-sensor in a way you've already lost and you don't necessarily know who it is you're self-censoring for. there's no permanent decision of what your risk actually is. people get offended at all sorts of things. nation states get offended at all sorts of things. it's not like they followed a protocol and failed. i think they thought they were doing the right thing. it's a comedy, they'll le